Mmm V2 Up In Smoke !!!

[suicideneil]

So Patrick do I need to mod my new MMM V2 to keep the fan wire from being cut by whatever.

No, not ordinarily- feel free to pop open the esc case to check the wires arent being pinched- no biggie, and a simple mod to do with a dremel to create a little clearance in the esc case- dont touch the PCB though.

So should I set my endpoints with a a Spektrum dx2.0 at 100% with the MMM V2?And what happens if you dont.

Yes. if you dont, the esc will be looking for 100% throttle, but wont see it since the radio is set to 120%. I had the same issue with my lazer 6 radio and hvmaxx system; the esc wouldnt 'see' 100% throttle during programming until I dialled down the EPA setting a touch.

[glassdoctor]

Patrick, I've been in a discussion on the rctech.net forums about this.

It's a thread about the upcoming ROAR race in Chillicothe, and guys like myself and Dave Alberico are asking if we can run CC motors. Dawn made one post, but now is ignoring my questions about why the rules cannot be updated, as they have been many times over the years to allow new technology and develpments.

I had posted that Castle tried to work with ROAR, but was treated like crap, according to what I have heard. She just made a comment about how people like to make up stuff, said it's not true. But now she is hiding.

It's a good read, and it's not too long yet ;)

thread:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ad-champs.html

[phatmonk]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

No, not ordinarily- feel free to pop open the esc case to check the wires arent being pinched- no biggie, and a simple mod to do with a dremel to create a little clearance in the esc case- dont touch the PCB though.



Yes. if you dont, the esc will be looking for 100% throttle, but wont see it since the radio is set to 120%. I had the same issue with my lazer 6 radio and hvmaxx system; the esc wouldnt 'see' 100% throttle during programming until I dialled down the EPA setting a touch.

Thanks Dude I can do that.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by BrianG

In this corner, we have Pdelcast, weighing in at XXX lbs. In the other corner, we have NovakTwo weighing in at YYY lbs....

Let's get ready to rummmmbllllle! DING!

Before I start rumblin, let me say this..I am no apologist for ROAR. Nor, is anyone else here at Novak. ROAR is what it is.

The first time we approached them for an approval was for the original brushless motor rule. Even then, the only reason we got a hearing was, by that time, Associated had worked with LRP to offer a motor based on Novak's sensored design. So, Roger Curtis and Mike Reedy (Associated) are the individuals that spearheaded the first ROAR ruling, not Novak. We joke that without their participation, racers would still be racing brush motors. Novak had absolutely no track record, or pull, with ROAR, or any other racing organization. I believe Reedy (a god to modified racing) was the president of IFMAR at that time.

[wade7575]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Oh snap!

But yes, they are rather lame- why cant the rules be relaxed a little- so long as two motors in the same class are the same size and kv rating, what does it matter about their construction techniques?

The reason that won't happen anytime soon is then Novak would loose there strange hold on the racing market and would not be able to dictate what motor you can use.Plus don't forget all the noob's that get into the hobby and start looking at the RC Magazine's and seeing that this racer or that racer used a Novak ESC and motor so they must be the best and of course they will go out and buy one.
I've been doing RC for 17 for years and I have alway's said that owner's of company's that make RC product's should not right the rule's for roar or ifmar or anyother form of racing.How could anyone ever think that the olny person's interest's are going to be looked after other than the guy who own's the company and his company's best inerest's.
And this is not Novak bashing it's my opion that no company reguardless of what they make should ot make the rules,I think roar and ifmar should be ran by people who worked in the RC indusrty and want to help improve the hobby and not hurt it.
I remeber when a company made a tuned pipe for nitro and wanted it to be approved for racing and Ron Paris at the time helped right the rule's for what tuned pipe's could be run and not run and he made more than a few tuned pipe's himslef and was the biggest opposer of another upstart company getting there's aproved for racing.

Got my MMM last week. Installed it and race this last weekend with everything running great. Convienced the MMM is a keeper I decided to pop the lid and make some of the mods mentioned in these forums. I unplugged the fan and ran the wiring directly to my receiver's ch3. I made the lid's opening a little bigger for the wires and that's about it. I plugged everything in and I get nothing from the MMM;ie no arming. I raced it last weekend and it did fine. I switched out receivers and do difference. Thinking maybe the switch went bad, I cut it off and soldered the two wires together and still nothing. I checked the batteries (the RX and the main) both are charged. Steering servo and fan works fine just no arming of the MMM. I've disabled the BEC and using power from 2S RX lipo (was doing that before with the MMM and it ran fine). When connected to Castle Link, the software still sees the MMM and can write to it. Any ideas?
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Jammin X1CR, Neu 1512/1.5D, MMM/MM, NO BEC
XTM/XT2, Nemesis XL, Hydra120, NO BEC
2 FireFox 4s 3700, 2 Neu 4s 5000

[NovakTwo]

Maybe we all need a refresher on how ROAR works:

Some company needs to submit a comprehensive, written proposal to ROAR. In the situation of changing the mod brushless rules, that proposal would then be sent to the entire brushless motor committee--consisting of reps from all the companies who manufacture or market BL motors aimed at ROAR-type racing.

Then all of those companies are given an opportunity to comment on the new proposal. At some point, the reps are required to vote and agree on the changes. Those changes are presented to the EXCOM of ROAR which then decides to accept, or reject the suggestions from the BL motor committee. If the new rule is accepted, then it is published by ROAR and included in the next rule-book.

On its own, ROAR does not just make random, new rules whenever it feels like it.

As far as I know, all BL companies that wanted to offer approved motors---even Trinity, Hacker and SpeedPassion---tooled up motors that would conform to the rules. Feigao, OEM motor maker to the world , managed to convert whatever motors they were selling to approved versions.

[TruckBasher]

I know other guys here like ROAR but who needs them. Guys here at RCM like to mod things cause we think that rules dont apply hahahaha

but seriously, if ROAR seems to be focusing on sales rather that being competitive on all BL companies then let them be. We have other organization that focusing on improving/modding things competitively (with minimal rules) yet doesnt restrict you from choosing a motor brand. Like Nic Case (sorry forgot the group name ) we have their speed challenge, its not yet recognize worldwide but its a start. just my opinion. ROAR is not for me, Im just a basher

[jayjay283]

I know alot of guys race and need ROAR stuff, I dont, nor does anyone I know. When I think of roar I think slow motors, escs only capable of 4s, and low capacity lipos. Dont need any of it. Id rather it said ROAR REJECTED on the box, sounds like a winner to me !!!

[bdebde]

Originally Posted by phatmonk

Sorry I dont have my secret decoder ring.Please explain in Human

I just wanted answers to the same questions.

[MTBikerTim]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Before I start rumblin, let me say this..I am no apologist for ROAR. Nor, is anyone else here at Novak. ROAR is what it is.

The first time we approached them for an approval was for the original brushless motor rule. Even then, the only reason we got a hearing was, by that time, Associated had worked with LRP to offer a motor based on Novak's sensored design. So, Roger Curtis and Mike Reedy (Associated) are the individuals that spearheaded the first ROAR ruling, not Novak. We joke that without their participation, racers would still be racing brush motors. Novak had absolutely no track record, or pull, with ROAR, or any other racing organization. I believe Reedy (a god to modified racing) was the president of IFMAR at that time.

Great post.

I'll have to agree with the others that the rules are just annoying. I am a basher but I also love to race. I really don't like having to race and conform to a bunch of rules just to compete. Especially when it involves replacing $100 escs with a $300 roar approved esc that still doesn't have the features of my $100 esc. I'd rather just not race. Thankfully my club just doesn't care for club events. I went road racing with a different club last night and it was great fun especially since I was racing in buggy class and once again they just don't care what you have in the car.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by jayjay283

...Id rather it said ROAR REJECTED on the box, sounds like a winner to me !!!

That's funny! Reverse marketing.

[George16]

Originally Posted by FG101C

Quick question on calibrating the MMM for Patrick. I have a Futaba 3PM with the 2.4 Fasst setup. When I calibrate should I only set my throttle and brake endpoints to 100% or go ahead and set them all the way up to their max at 120%? Not sure that it matters, but just wanted to check.

Thanks.

100%. Make sure your throttle is on "REV" position too.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Well, the "orange" guys are not posting in the CC forum. If you have questions or need help from us, ask in the one, "orange" thread in the brushless forum.

You and novak had their chance with me. When I expressed my dissatisfaction (which including no cussing or name calling) with novak, you decided to call me out on the TRX forums. Patrick in a worse situation (actually a guy cussing CC and calling them names) offered to find out why the guy was dissatisfied and felt that way, then took care of him. Had you or anyone else at novak done that with me, the story would be different. It is your job as a business to earn the customer, not my job as a consumer to earn your service.

As for roar, don't need them and don't want them. I find it awesome that this hobby progresses like it does despite roar.

And jayjay, that post was classic!

I would seek out "rejected by roar" products!

[What's_nitro?]

Yeah, ROAR.... more like "peep".