Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by Mozzy

I only converted my cars to BL due to the blood clots in my lungs as I couldn't cope with the fumes.
Now that I've had the op to fix me up to 3/4 healthy, nitro fumes are no longer a problem, but, I will never convert my cars back.
I have to race a nitro truggy for work reasons & I'm not allowed to run at the local club with my BL's. They keep telling me that it's unfair as mine is faster & I have ALL the power settings on the lowest!

Electric is the way of the future.

Way to go Mozzy. It is nice to see BL guys shoving nitro up someones butt. Also nice challenge attitude RiverMaxx. Lets keep it healthy and push towards proving the BL point to the world, even if you may not totally agree just yet. Lets all just have some fun in here and on the R/C tracks around the world. Truly River welcome to the world of BL power. We just want to have some fun.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Mozzy

They keep telling me that it's unfair as mine is faster & I have ALL the power settings on the lowest!

Electric is the way of the future.

Very True but for most of us here, Electric is most importantly the way of the present

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by starscream

Very True but for most of us here, Electric is most importantly the way of the present

Very true...

[jayjay283]

Brushless lipo is just so much more.... satisfying, mathmatically mind challenging. Was at one point kind of hard to figure out, getting easier for all I hope. The challenge to conquer it was part of it, now I just love the fun. Hard to find a smile some days, the brulshless always does it. Nitro stink pumps didnt do it.

[hemiblas]

I have both nitro and brushless trucks and I took my emaxx 7xl MMM and raced an upgraded tmaxx with a .32 on 30%. The nitro truck was impressive, but on pavement I had instant accelleration and torque. I could not get over how much more initial power I had and that was on just about the cheapest BL setup you can get.

[Rivermaxx]

Who make the .32 engine? If its an axial which it probably is. That is the cheapest .32 engine you can get also.

[FG101C]

All I know is I can't stop converting them. I have three, all I really want is to have one but can't decide on which one. When I'm at the track I'm hammered with questions about, and people can't believe how fast and long they run.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years.

In a lot of the major races and championships and some smaller events (depending on the track officials), brushless isn't allowed to compete with the nitro's, so they won't be on the podium even if they're fast enough. That's also why it's rare to see pro drivers competing with brushless 1/8th's, because they won't be allowed to compete in some of the major events.

[JERRY2KONE]

Thats right Patrick. ROAR officails keep the Brushless competitors out of the races, why is that you ask? It is because they know that BL is comming and will over run the nitros if they open the door and let them in. Lets look at this even closer. WHO controls the ROAR rulebook? Thats right, the major nitro equipment suppliers. It is just like why don't we already have electric cars flooding the highways?? Because the oil companies are keeping the technology down in order to sell their oil. Greedy bastards. I guess the same sort of thinking applies to racing R/C's. Have a nice day. Don't be a hater...

[Ryu James]

if the fuel and nitro companies had half a brain they would see this as an opportunity to fill a void for a relentless need in the market. take some of their capital and dedicate it to R&D and produce some electric products and be one of the first to get a piece of the pie and build a reputation as a hero; one who risked tons of capital to bring the world what it has been waiting for.

what was it Neos nemesis said in "the Matrix"? "the sound of inevitibility"

like i said before, nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. (quote from some smart guy). an idea that the world is ready for cannot be stopped. period. especially not by some stupid ROAR regulations. those idiots will face the sad reality when 80% of all RC sales will be for brushless products. give it 5-10 more years. it is going to happen. all it is right now is like someone threw a snowball with their hand down the mountain and its been rolling for 3 seconds, only the size of an orange. wait til this thing has been rolling longer and gets to be the size of a truck. the growth is really starting to be exponential now. with traxxas and losi releasing 1/8 brushless factory kits it has only just begun. the seed has been planted.

there is no stopping the tsunami of brushless in the RC world or electric in the real world. if the big corps werent such dumbasses they would be riding this wave already. instead, its going to hit the masses with such force and they will finally realize, "oh, we want to come up with some electric products to make some money. it turns out we couldnt stop it from coming so i guess we should jump on board." but by then they will have missed the wave and its already crested. dumba$$e$

[Ryu James]

Here is an excerpt from R/C Car this month in their article on the Losi 8E on page 118.

"Electric powered vehicles ruled the road in all forms of RC for years, as the nitro engine technology of the time couldnt match the plug-and-play ease of batteries and motors. However, the simultaneous improvement of nitro engines across the board along with electric racers feeling priced out of competition by rapidly-released updates in electric motor and battery tech caused a huge shift to nitro racing. And now, with the superior reliability of brushless motors and LiPo batteries, the tide is changing once again."

i dont think anyone realizes how much brushless is going to dominate the market though. unless nitro comes up some amazing new technology it is going to be a thing of the past. brushless will continue to get better whereas nitro has seen its limits already. as soon as the first quick-change battery trays come out and 1/8 brushless starts running in ROAR races, its over. and i have talked with owners of major RC companies who tell me their quick-change LiPo trays are being developed and tested now and will be out this year. in fact, several companies are working on this now including Losi, Tekno, and RC Product Designs just to name a few. nitro will become more of a sub-hobby within the hobby where only a few "nitro-purists" will stick with it because of their passion for the lifelike resemablance and sound of real cars. but as soon as real 1/1 cars start turning more to electric that will only throw more fuel to the fire.
anyway, i predict that brushless technology will dominate the RC scene for many decades to come. it is going to be amazing to see the new advancements in motor, esc, and lipo technology. things will get smaller and more powerful. it is so exciting to be involved in this movement and to be enjoying RC during this time.

oh, i wanted to post this vid since i posted one earlier in this thread of the brushless muggy on a neu 1521 throwing around the muggy like a rag doll. well i found a twin motor nitro MT that is doing the same thing. i have never seen a nitro setup like this. its pretty impressive but it doesnt change anything i have just said. just cool to watch.

twin motor nitro MT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm8y8jcwGM

Neu 1521 brushless muggy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY


and then there is this. someone in this thread said that the fastest MT was a nitro powered Revo and it did 66mph. well they never saw this then. a brushless MT doing 78.6mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-XCew1rCk

80.4mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&NR=1

[Rivermaxx]

There is more nitro can do to get more power like more agressive porting and higher nitro percentages like 50%. Heres a heavier savage with Novarrosi 528 xrp wheelies at speed and instant acceleration. Kinda like a brushless with noise and smoke lol. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12325975034856
Top speed run with a os.28 xz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJluk2DGU4

[Ryu James]

those are pretty cool vids. i hate it when people hold the radar gun in front of the camera the whole time though so you can never see the car. i would rather see the car run than the radar getting a reading. nonetheless, those are some fast nitros. that mt sounded pretty sweet.

[Rivermaxx]

I seen one of a buggy or truggy with a ab modded OS.28xz buggy and it was insanely fast and would impress anyone even the haters. It had such throttle response it would pull 30 mph wheelies just awesome. I cant seem to find it though but I will keep looking.

[JERRY2KONE]

There is more nitro can do to get more power like more agressive porting and higher nitro percentages like 50%. Heres a heavier savage with Novarrosi 528 xrp wheelies at speed and instant acceleration. Kinda like a brushless with noise and smoke

Sorry to say but that is exactly the point. BL is pretty much plug and play once you get the wiring hooked up correctly. Even with two nitro engines that thing could not compete with the single BL setup. Sure nitro is fun for the averge Joe who just loves playing with tiny little replicas of real 1:1 cars, but brushless is just a better way to go all around. Now the challenge is to find the right wheel/tire setup that will hold up to the kinds of power that we are putting our trucks under. Nice share on all the videos guys. 84mph is not a bad showing for an MT.