Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[Rivermaxx]

Cmon guys with all this shit talking somebodies got to back it up. lets see some mph numbers and video to prove it. Make me a believer lets see some top speed numbers with your buggies and mt"s. Somebody in this brushless elite crew got to have some sort of video of your truck truggy or buggy haulin ass and winning races. I am going to build my brushless truck too hall ass but I want to see what its potential can be. BTW Lito, that video dont count because I cant see a thing on that gps, unless someone was there to back it up. If anyone can break records it should be you guys, well go out and do it! instead of bitching and complaining about how much you hate nitro. I am not hating at all. I just want some proof because talk is cheap. Make me a believer I am half way there anyway.LOL Good question! Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years. Please dont get mad at me for this post but I didnt start this crap shoot. Peace

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

...Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years....

It's already been said; those guys seem to be stuck in the dark ages. People fear what they don't understand.

As far as proof goes, just look at Nic Case's record... Yeah, it's not a MT, but still...

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Cmon guys with all this shit talking somebodies got to back it up. lets see some mph numbers and video to prove it. Make me a believer lets see some top speed numbers with your buggies and mt"s. Somebody in this brushless elite crew got to have some sort of video of your truck truggy or buggy haulin ass and winning races. I am going to build my brushless truck too hall ass but I want to see what its potential can be. BTW Lito, that video dont count because I cant see a thing on that gps, unless someone was there to back it up. If anyone can break records it should be you guys, well go out and do it! instead of bitching and complaining about how much you hate nitro. I am not hating at all. I just want some proof because talk is cheap. Make me a believer I am half way there anyway.LOL Good question! Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years. Please dont get mad at me for this post but I didnt start this crap shoot. Peace

You are right, talk is cheap. There really is no way to describe the difference between nitro and electric.

I honestly belive that nitro will always be around because companies like traxxas made it easy. Unless there is a severe temp extreme most nitro vehicles will start reasonably easily, and after that they can be played with. People who just want to play and do not have much technical ability or lintelligence can operate a nitro. Maybe not to the fullest extent of the design, but it still drives and produces grins!

Brushless electric requires more intimate knowledge of batteries and chargers and setup, plus motors, escs and gearing. If you like making stuff and tinkering (like most of us here do) then electric has more options than nitro. Consider what the rock crawling crowd do, and FE boat guys, and all of the electric heli and plane people.

I will go as far to say that electric is more difficult than nitro. I can tune a nitro motor, and a clutch. I have fixed tons of nitro vehicles for the LHS and the owners usually have no idea what they are doing save for pulling the trigger.

As far as racing, electric is not really popular due to strange sanctioning bodies rules and the general lack of proven "systems". The top drivers like what they are doing, and the change to electric would require a huge amount of money and time to get working. Plius most mfgs make nitro stuff, so that is what is raced. Not too many off the shelf brushless vehicles yet. Brushless has been around for a while, but it is a delicate equation to balance to make it work.

If you are the kind of guy who likes a challenge, and has some manual dexterity you will enjoy brushless electric. Get ready to learn alot, as doing bl right takes a fair amount of knowledge.

As far as vids and proof, you just need to look around, it is there. No doubt brushless has more power, torque and gearing potential than nitro. It also has lower maintenance and is cleaner. And don't forget that Nitro is cheaper, and that is why it is still around... Admittedly a comparable bl setup to a nitro vehicle for speed and power would be pretty cheap, a bk esc and a l can feigao on 2 1500 nicd stickpacks in series should do...

[Finnster]

I've had all BL cars for several years now, but got my 1st nitro in a Savage XL. First I intended to convert it, but had a spare 427 motor, so threw it in and ran it for a bit. Way slower than a BL, so much less TQ, and a pain in a lot of ways (as described.) The biggest pain was having to carry so much crap around, starter, wrench, temp gun, screwdriver and glow starter. Plus the fuel is fookin expensive and goes fast. $40 of nitro goes way faster than you would guess. Plus the radio batts runs down fast w/ big servos.

But... it was still a lot of fun. So much I got a LRP .28 for it.
Faster, but still not as much as BL. Break-in sucks, and its a bit messy, but the savvy TVPs keeps it pretty clean. (pan chassis are a disaster tho.) Its a pull start, usually starts in a couple pulls.

Why did I get a nitro motor for it?
1.) for something different. Plus should learn about nitros to really appreciate how better BL is.
2.) It still is a lot of fun. Yes its slower, but for a huge MT like the XL, is still fast enough.
The nice thing about nitro is that its a bit easier to just grab and go out if you haven't driven in a while. You got to keep lipos stored @ 50% charge, so in my busy house, if I get a few mins to go play, it get wrecked by having to wait for batts.
IDK about realism, but it is fun making racket w/ the XL while trashing thru the grass and bushes.

Now, I would never ever race a nitro! They are a freaking pain, and need so much attention to get them running right. W/ a basher, as long as it runs decently its fine. I don't get too hung up on the tune (as long as its not too hot) and pipes and all that crap. Whatever, it just works.
So much of nitro racing seems on just tuning the motor. BL frees you from this to focus on tuning the rest of the car. The races tend be less about who stalls out first to lose.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years.

In a lot of the major races and championships and some smaller events (depending on the track officials), brushless isn't allowed to compete with the nitro's, so they won't be on the podium even if they're fast enough. That's also why it's rare to see pro drivers competing with brushless 1/8th's, because they won't be allowed to compete in some of the major events.

[JERRY2KONE]

Thats right Patrick. ROAR officails keep the Brushless competitors out of the races, why is that you ask? It is because they know that BL is comming and will over run the nitros if they open the door and let them in. Lets look at this even closer. WHO controls the ROAR rulebook? Thats right, the major nitro equipment suppliers. It is just like why don't we already have electric cars flooding the highways?? Because the oil companies are keeping the technology down in order to sell their oil. Greedy bastards. I guess the same sort of thinking applies to racing R/C's. Have a nice day. Don't be a hater...

[Ryu James]

if the fuel and nitro companies had half a brain they would see this as an opportunity to fill a void for a relentless need in the market. take some of their capital and dedicate it to R&D and produce some electric products and be one of the first to get a piece of the pie and build a reputation as a hero; one who risked tons of capital to bring the world what it has been waiting for.

what was it Neos nemesis said in "the Matrix"? "the sound of inevitibility"

like i said before, nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. (quote from some smart guy). an idea that the world is ready for cannot be stopped. period. especially not by some stupid ROAR regulations. those idiots will face the sad reality when 80% of all RC sales will be for brushless products. give it 5-10 more years. it is going to happen. all it is right now is like someone threw a snowball with their hand down the mountain and its been rolling for 3 seconds, only the size of an orange. wait til this thing has been rolling longer and gets to be the size of a truck. the growth is really starting to be exponential now. with traxxas and losi releasing 1/8 brushless factory kits it has only just begun. the seed has been planted.

there is no stopping the tsunami of brushless in the RC world or electric in the real world. if the big corps werent such dumbasses they would be riding this wave already. instead, its going to hit the masses with such force and they will finally realize, "oh, we want to come up with some electric products to make some money. it turns out we couldnt stop it from coming so i guess we should jump on board." but by then they will have missed the wave and its already crested. dumba$$e$

[Ryu James]

Here is an excerpt from R/C Car this month in their article on the Losi 8E on page 118.

"Electric powered vehicles ruled the road in all forms of RC for years, as the nitro engine technology of the time couldnt match the plug-and-play ease of batteries and motors. However, the simultaneous improvement of nitro engines across the board along with electric racers feeling priced out of competition by rapidly-released updates in electric motor and battery tech caused a huge shift to nitro racing. And now, with the superior reliability of brushless motors and LiPo batteries, the tide is changing once again."

i dont think anyone realizes how much brushless is going to dominate the market though. unless nitro comes up some amazing new technology it is going to be a thing of the past. brushless will continue to get better whereas nitro has seen its limits already. as soon as the first quick-change battery trays come out and 1/8 brushless starts running in ROAR races, its over. and i have talked with owners of major RC companies who tell me their quick-change LiPo trays are being developed and tested now and will be out this year. in fact, several companies are working on this now including Losi, Tekno, and RC Product Designs just to name a few. nitro will become more of a sub-hobby within the hobby where only a few "nitro-purists" will stick with it because of their passion for the lifelike resemablance and sound of real cars. but as soon as real 1/1 cars start turning more to electric that will only throw more fuel to the fire.
anyway, i predict that brushless technology will dominate the RC scene for many decades to come. it is going to be amazing to see the new advancements in motor, esc, and lipo technology. things will get smaller and more powerful. it is so exciting to be involved in this movement and to be enjoying RC during this time.

oh, i wanted to post this vid since i posted one earlier in this thread of the brushless muggy on a neu 1521 throwing around the muggy like a rag doll. well i found a twin motor nitro MT that is doing the same thing. i have never seen a nitro setup like this. its pretty impressive but it doesnt change anything i have just said. just cool to watch.

twin motor nitro MT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm8y8jcwGM

Neu 1521 brushless muggy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY


and then there is this. someone in this thread said that the fastest MT was a nitro powered Revo and it did 66mph. well they never saw this then. a brushless MT doing 78.6mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-XCew1rCk

80.4mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&NR=1