Speed Passion VS Mamba Monster

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lutach

So let me guess, were you the one who helped Hobbywing with their products, no. Speed Passion is only a distributor who placed the 2000pcs. minimum order to get it branded and Schumacher instead of going straight to the source, they probably signed a deal with Speed Passion and now they have to charge more for the same product to justify a good profit. Guys like me are doing good things for this hobby and more will come. I'm sure when I get my new ESC done, I'll show it to Mike and see if he wants he own RCM ESC. If you like to spend more on a re-badged product, go for it.

So, please tell me all who am I talking to? What have you done for this hobby that makes you so special. To me you're just another guy who wasted money by following the lies the Shawn Palmer brought to a good company. You should've seen how he started making false specs on the Speed Passion (Hobbywing) stuff after I stepped in. So until Speed Passion comes out with the 6S 150A version then you can compare it with the Mamba Monster, but if the 4S 80A version is priced the way it is, then the 6S will be like $300 and I hope you get one so we can have a good laugh.

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously
Sorry to hear you have personal reasons to hate on the SP ESC but I suggest you think about showing more respect for others. Your berating and rants just make you look bad.
Maybe thats why your ESC endeavors haven't panned out like you've planned.
Just a thought

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by starscream

Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

Hey Brian,
James is the name, RC is the game.
I've been around RCM from very early on. Dafni and I posted our Revo conversions at the same time. His was better looking but mine had a lower CG

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I don't post here for posting sake and I don't have a personal agenda. I post information that is factually sound and hopefully helpful. I have been fortunate to be one of the first to try different setups and I have no problems reporting what I experience.

I think anyones iron will get hot if they are publically berated and shown no respect. I don't take others opinions to heart but I won't put up with anyone making personal attacks.

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

[littlegiant]

Originally Posted by starscream

Hey Brian,
James is the name, RC is the game.
I've been around RCM from very early on. Dafni and I posted our Revo conversions at the same time. His was better looking but mine had a lower CG

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I don't post here for posting sake and I don't have a personal agenda. I post information that is factually sound and hopefully helpful. I have been fortunate to be one of the first to try different setups and I have no problems reporting what I experience.

I think anyones iron will get hot if they are publically berated and shown no respect. I don't take others opinions to heart but I won't put up with anyone making personal attacks.

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

Hi, I am thinking of getting a new esc. Can u list the pros of SP escs over the MMM? I am open to all opinions because I don't own any of the escs. Thanks in advance.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by littlegiant

Hi, I am thinking of getting a new esc. Can u list the pros of SP escs over the MMM? I am open to all opinions because I don't own any of the escs. Thanks in advance.

If you are looking to use a sensored 4S motor than the SP is a good choice.

Both ESC Prices are comparable
Both ESC PC programming and updates are comparable

MMM Pro's over SP
- MMM Can handle up to 6S Lipo VS SP 4S Lipo max
- MMM has a slightly smaller footprint
- MMM has a 5AMP BEC vs SP 3AMP BEC (this won't be an issue unless you plan to run some major current drawing servo's)

SP Pro's over MMM
- SP runs both sensored & sensorless motors (Sensored in dual mode)
- SP comes with a hand held programmer that you can use anywhere without the need of hauling around a laptop
- SP On/Off switch is FAR superior to the MMM switch. The MMM power switch is notorious for switching off when the vehicle takes a hard hit. This has happened to me numerous times and I finally shoegoo'd my MMM switch to the On position. This obviously isn't a hard selling point but a small notch in the belt for the SP.

[starscream]

Oh BTW,
I will be getting a RX8/2050 combo as soon as I can

So I'll be able to make a comparison between all 3 ESC's soon

[littlegiant]

Originally Posted by starscream

If you are looking to use a sensored 4S motor than the SP is a good choice.

Both ESC Prices are comparable
Both ESC PC programming and updates are comparable

MMM Pro's over SP
- MMM Can handle up to 6S Lipo VS SP 4S Lipo max
- MMM has a slightly smaller footprint
- MMM has a 5AMP BEC vs SP 3AMP BEC (this won't be an issue unless you plan to run some major current drawing servo's)

SP Pro's over MMM
- SP runs both sensored & sensorless motors (Sensored in dual mode)
- SP comes with a hand held programmer that you can use anywhere without the need of hauling around a laptop
- SP On/Off switch is FAR superior to the MMM switch. The MMM power switch is notorious for switching off when the vehicle takes a hard hit. This has happened to me numerous times and I finally shoegoo'd my MMM switch to the On position. This obviously isn't a hard selling point but a small notch in the belt for the SP.

Thanks for your response. I am intending to use the esc in a monster truck.
Which esc can handle heat better? Same setup (speed, vehicle, motor, cell count... etc)different esc. Which esc will run cooler?

[starscream]

Originally Posted by littlegiant

Thanks for your response. I am intending to use the esc in a monster truck.
Which esc can handle heat better? Same setup (speed, vehicle, motor, cell count... etc)different esc. Which esc will run cooler?

I have only used the SP Esc in a buggy so I have no data for MT use. Both Esc's run about the same heat in the buggy. Personally, I would recommend running 6S in a MT or Truggy so my vote goes to the MMM for this. The SP Esc should be fine if you plan to run a sensored 4S motor though.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by starscream

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I remember that! Going back a bit, at least 2 years, huh?!

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

I remember that! Going back a bit, at least 2 years, huh?!

Ya, that was quite a while ago. Time really flies.
I ended up buying another crt.5 and then sold it so I could get a RC10 T4

I really think they need a 12 step program for RC

You have a good point about crawlers. It's a must to have a good motor though. I'm sure a HV or purple feigao motor will have cogging issues.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by starscream

Ya, that was quite a while ago. Time really flies.
I ended up buying another crt.5 and then sold it so I could get a RC10 T4

I really think they need a 12 step program for RC

You have a good point about crawlers. It's a must to have a good motor though. I'm sure a HV or purple feigao motor will have cogging issues.

The 2pole feigaos will lack low end torque. I am using 8+ pole outrunners, between 800-1100kv on 3s lipo and they work very well with the castle escs. I also run a 13.5 novak motor on 2s in a "rock racer" and it has enough control and torque to make it crawler capable. I have a sp 17.5 that I would like to try, but I think the speed may be a bit low. Also have a new hacker 13.5 e40 motor, pretty!

Now I would like to see a decent sensored esc with 3s+ capability in a small footprint capable of 60-80amps cont. And some purpose built sealed can outrunners with high qual materials and a sensor too. Run them sensored only and they would be the ultimate in slow speed control and low speed torque.

[rootar]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Now I would like to see a decent sensored esc with 3s+ capability in a small footprint capable of 60-80amps cont. And some purpose built sealed can outrunners with high qual materials and a sensor too. Run them sensored only and they would be the ultimate in slow speed control and low speed torque.

sorry to get off topic but

your answer is the tekin RS run an external bec and cap and they are great on 3s and 4s.....ive been running mine in my T4 and slash on multiple different motors (8.5 sensored-2s, 10.5 sensored 2and 3s, and feagio 9l - 2 and 3s) it is an amazing litte (actually tiny) ESC, ive enjoyed it so much in the past month i bought another last weekend the tekin redline sensored motors are also great (had 8.5 on 2s geared for 40mph in a t4 and ran two 5000 packs back to back (40 solid mintues on the track) and the esc had 4 lights out of 7 and the motor was 141

[lutach]

Originally Posted by starscream

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

Just trying to let you know the best bang for you buck, but to me it seemed like you're a SP fan. How are you liking you LCD handheld programmer? You know who gave Hobbywing the idea? You're chatting with him right now. Just to get something straight, I don't work for Castle and yes I have a Hobbywing Xerun 120A (SP GT Pro) and was the first one to test one out for Hobbywing to make sure everything was working fine. I was the first to hook it up to a Novak HV motor and run it with 4S lipos a few times in my TC3T. So best bang for your buck is the Hobbywing 80A 4S which Mike sells for less then half the price of the SP version or you can get the 150A 6S which is still cheaper. I just didn't like how you first posted here and it seemed like a personal attack on the ones who posted before.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by lutach

Just trying to let you know the best bang for you buck, but to me it seemed like you're a SP fan. How are you liking you LCD handheld programmer? You know who gave Hobbywing the idea? You're chatting with him right now. Just to get something straight, I don't work for Castle and yes I have a Hobbywing Xerun 120A (SP GT Pro) and was the first one to test one out for Hobbywing to make sure everything was working fine. I was the first to hook it up to a Novak HV motor and run it with 4S lipos a few times in my TC3T. So best bang for your buck is the Hobbywing 80A 4S which Mike sells for less then half the price of the SP version or you can get the 150A 6S which is still cheaper. I just didn't like how you first posted here and it seemed like a personal attack on the ones who posted before.

I knew about the HW ezrun esc's before I purchased the SP. I purchased the SP because I prefer dealing with a US distributor. We can agree to disagree about the best bang for your buck here.
For me, the juries out until I get my hands on the RX8.

P.S.
Yes I like the LCD programmer very much. Thanks for asking...
People have been asking for hand held programmers a long time. It's nice to see a company finally listen to what the public wants.
It's too bad you don't work for Castle because they could use some of your insight

[lutach]

Originally Posted by starscream

I knew about the HW ezrun esc's before I purchased the SP. I purchased the SP because I prefer dealing with a US distributor. We can agree to disagree about the best bang for your buck here.
For me, the juries out until I get my hands on the RX8.

Now that Mike sells the HW 8th scale units, I'm sure he can do the same if the ESC(s) fails.

Now the RX8 is a nice system. I've done a modification to one of my 4 pole Sensored Aveox motor and it worked out very well when I used it with my 10th scale ESC. Good thing a company saw the benefits of a sensored 4 pole system other then Aveox which no longer involves in RC.