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Arct1k · **Different Savages -** 12.12.2009, 09:05 AM

So I really like the look of the TCS 1/5 savage...

But i know nothing about savages - What's the difference between the Flux savage and say an XL except for the motor mount?

Is it just the transmission i.e. bulks, diffs, outdrives etc are all the same?

I know the flux uses the clamping style motor mount - Anyone have any idea how hard it would be to mount something else like a CC 1520...

Thanks

Finnster · 12.12.2009, 11:40 AM

The XL and Flux both share the heavier duty drivetrain. The XL has extended drive axles.
The XL comes with a 3spd tranny, the Flux has a single speed. (The Flux is based off the 2spd, with a locked idler gear, #100905. The 3spd is very different than the Flux SS. It requires many gears to be changed to lock.)
XL has the 8 std shock setup, Flux has 4 BB shocks.
Supposedly the flux has a different bulkhead part #.
Flux has a 44T steel, spur XL is 52
The Flux motor mount requires space outside (a cutout) the TVPs to fit. The XL does not have this. XL tvps are obviously longer.
Any 15 series will work in the motor, but will need to be a smooth can. The finned versions will interefere. May be a work around for this, but I haven't seen it.
Both versions will need the upgraded bulletproof diffs to be reliable.
Otherwise they share all the same parts.

Overall, its far easier to start with the Flux to do the conversion than the XL. If you found a cheap enough XL it may be worth it, and swap the trannies around, but from new the flux is the way to go.

Slowkrawl · 12.12.2009, 11:46 AM

The fluxs' bulkheads are a bit different because they are some sort of composite.

V0RT3X · 12.12.2009, 04:55 PM

http://www.rctech.net/forum/6681929-post1629.html

brushlessboy16 · 12.12.2009, 06:41 PM

Flux motor plate will not fit on the xl tvps, both have HD driveline. xl is about 3inches longer. xl has 8 shocks vs 4... Ill let you know how my FluxL runs tommorow.

V0RT3X · 12.12.2009, 06:46 PM

Does the XL flux look funny with stock wheels? And I think that the wheel cutouts on the XL body aren't so good, still looks a bit short, atleast that's what I managed to see from pics. :/

brushlessboy16 · 12.12.2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k

So I really like the look of the TCS 1/5 savage...

But i know nothing about savages - What's the difference between the Flux savage and say an XL except for the motor mount?

Is it just the transmission i.e. bulks, diffs, outdrives etc are all the same?

I know the flux uses the clamping style motor mount - Anyone have any idea how hard it would be to mount something else like a CC 1520...

Thanks

Its going to be a chore if you use xl txps.

@ vortex

Looks awkward here but with weight on the suspension it looks amazing.. the xl wide axles are a must. makes the look stellar

Arct1k · 12.12.2009, 09:25 PM

Well I'd be doing a TCS chassis - So its how easy is it to E-Convert an XL?

_paralyzed_ · 12.12.2009, 10:35 PM

the only thing you really gain with the xl is the wide axles. (they are widened outside the bearing carrier, arm length is the same, poor design IMO, I prefer flm wide arms)

the flux has the correct tranny, the xl doesn't

xl won't have motor mounts

the 8 shocks of the xl might handle the weight better than the 4 of the flux

IMO the flux would be an easier starting point, but then again, I'd build it ground up with flm combo bulks, hpi bulletproof diffs(which you'll want and come with neith the flux or xl) flm arms blah blah blah

but that's just me!

Finnster · 12.12.2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k

Well I'd be doing a TCS chassis - So its how easy is it to E-Convert an XL?

Yea, you need not worry about the tvps.

Its not hard to convert one. i did mine just fine. You will need all the 2spd internals for the tranny plus the idler. Most of the parts of the XL's 3spd are different. Its worth it to buy a flux tranny on ebay, or a Sav X 2spd plus the idler I mentioned. (I did the later to save some cash at the time.)

Other wise you just need a motor mount. Again, the TCS would be made for the Flux's. There are ways to make an L mount fit inside the TVPs, but its hard to adj the motor screws as its so close to the trans.

You can keep the shocks and anything else. Upgrade the shocks as you wish. Not req tho.

The TCS chassis can mount batts inside the TVPs, else you need flux batt trays & mounts. You can get a flux esc mount, or come up w/ something clever yourself.

Either way, upgrade the diffs to the BPs.

That's all you need to do really.

Arct1k · 12.12.2009, 10:55 PM

ok will see what a chop shop charges me for roller

but will need to ditch a truggy...

Finnster · 11:22 PM

Another idea is to just buy the pieces you need off ebay. All you need is arms and bulks and pins and axles. You can find shock towers in combos w/ the bulks for example, and I've bought spare pins for $1.
Also, the oem upper amrs are not adj. You can get the adj arms cheap on ebay.

I'd have to add it all up, but might be easiest just buying the parts you need rather than a used kit or a new kit w/ lots of stuff you won't need (body, tvps, motor, tires etc. ) IDK

Edit:

Let me clarify that a bit. You will just need the F and R assemblies. Other than the trans and motor mount, most of the rest of the truck isn't used.

Even in that, there is stuff you will want to upgrade. The rear uses a turnbuckle set up that stinks, so you will want the Integy rear c-hub. I also don't like the oem turnbuckles, they are soft and stretch out easy, so I would redo those w/ ballends from a good truggy, and buckles in the needed length.

The stock radio box is hideous on the TSC IMO, so I would get the FLM servo tray and some radio box. Nitro savage fuel mid-tank mods use all sorts of diff radio boxes in the mod. I used an box from a ofna violator (ebay) in my truck. Tall, but nice roomy and sealed box. Hell, I have the stock radio box from mine as well as some knuckles I don't need if you want them.

JThiessen · 12.13.2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

the only thing you really gain with the xl is the wide axles. (they are widened outside the bearing carrier, arm length is the same, poor design IMO, I prefer flm wide arms)

XL has an additional @1.8" in wheelbase. I put the HPI extension "hubs" on mine - no issues from it yet. I agree, its not the best design, and I will upgrade to the FLM's someday...

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Originally Posted by Finnster

You will need all the 2spd internals for the tranny plus the idler. Most of the parts of the XL's 3spd are different. Its worth it to buy a flux tranny on ebay, or a Sav X 2spd plus the idler I mentioned. (I did the later to save some cash at the time.)

Get the 2 speed off Ebay. Looks like they go for @20 bucks or less. The Flux tranny's are selling for 40+ (I believe they are buying their own parts back time after time....I've been trying to buy one for a couple months - no way are they selling that many of them at exactly the same price every time).

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Originally Posted by Finnster

Even in that, there is stuff you will want to upgrade. The rear uses a turnbuckle set up that stinks, so you will want the Integy rear c-hub.

Ditto this...they are actually a decent part.

Finnster · 12.13.2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JThiessen

XL has an additional @1.8" in wheelbase. I put the HPI extension "hubs" on mine - no issues from it yet. I agree, its not the best design, and I will upgrade to the FLM's someday...

I have yet to see undue wear on my bearings from it. It would have been nicer if they molded new arms, but its still worth the xtra width imo.

@Bondo: How do you like the FLM arms? They look nice, but I always worry about going alu on the arms. One of the few parts I have broken have been the arms a few times. I worry about going alu that I will then be bending them &/or breaking bulkheads. Arms are quite cheap on ebay.

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Get the 2 speed off Ebay. Looks like they go for @20 bucks or less. The Flux tranny's are selling for 40+ (I believe they are buying their own parts back time after time....I've been trying to buy one for a couple months - no way are they selling that many of them at exactly the same price every time).

It thought I saw them come down a bit (into the low $30s....) but maybe not. I bought the X 2spd for $15 and got the idler for ~$7 in my next amain order. The fluxes were going for $40+ at the time. I even got the plastic 47T spur and slipper intact, while the fluxes were stripped. WTF.

JThiessen · 12.13.2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnster

. I even got the plastic 47T spur and slipper intact, while the fluxes were stripped. WTF.

That's another thing I noticed also - ALL of the Flux trannies are being sold without slippers/gears. I haven't seen any of those parts being sold seperately - but then I havent done a search for them. Part of what leads me to believe they are just listing the same tranny over and over again.