Different Savages

[Finnster]

Another idea is to just buy the pieces you need off ebay. All you need is arms and bulks and pins and axles. You can find shock towers in combos w/ the bulks for example, and I've bought spare pins for $1.
Also, the oem upper amrs are not adj. You can get the adj arms cheap on ebay.

I'd have to add it all up, but might be easiest just buying the parts you need rather than a used kit or a new kit w/ lots of stuff you won't need (body, tvps, motor, tires etc. ) IDK

Edit:

Let me clarify that a bit. You will just need the F and R assemblies. Other than the trans and motor mount, most of the rest of the truck isn't used.

Even in that, there is stuff you will want to upgrade. The rear uses a turnbuckle set up that stinks, so you will want the Integy rear c-hub. I also don't like the oem turnbuckles, they are soft and stretch out easy, so I would redo those w/ ballends from a good truggy, and buckles in the needed length.

The stock radio box is hideous on the TSC IMO, so I would get the FLM servo tray and some radio box. Nitro savage fuel mid-tank mods use all sorts of diff radio boxes in the mod. I used an box from a ofna violator (ebay) in my truck. Tall, but nice roomy and sealed box. Hell, I have the stock radio box from mine as well as some knuckles I don't need if you want them.

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

the only thing you really gain with the xl is the wide axles. (they are widened outside the bearing carrier, arm length is the same, poor design IMO, I prefer flm wide arms)

XL has an additional @1.8" in wheelbase. I put the HPI extension "hubs" on mine - no issues from it yet. I agree, its not the best design, and I will upgrade to the FLM's someday...

Originally Posted by Finnster

You will need all the 2spd internals for the tranny plus the idler. Most of the parts of the XL's 3spd are different. Its worth it to buy a flux tranny on ebay, or a Sav X 2spd plus the idler I mentioned. (I did the later to save some cash at the time.)

Get the 2 speed off Ebay. Looks like they go for @20 bucks or less. The Flux tranny's are selling for 40+ (I believe they are buying their own parts back time after time....I've been trying to buy one for a couple months - no way are they selling that many of them at exactly the same price every time).

Originally Posted by Finnster

Even in that, there is stuff you will want to upgrade. The rear uses a turnbuckle set up that stinks, so you will want the Integy rear c-hub.

Ditto this...they are actually a decent part.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

XL has an additional @1.8" in wheelbase. I put the HPI extension "hubs" on mine - no issues from it yet. I agree, its not the best design, and I will upgrade to the FLM's someday...

I have yet to see undue wear on my bearings from it. It would have been nicer if they molded new arms, but its still worth the xtra width imo.

@Bondo: How do you like the FLM arms? They look nice, but I always worry about going alu on the arms. One of the few parts I have broken have been the arms a few times. I worry about going alu that I will then be bending them &/or breaking bulkheads. Arms are quite cheap on ebay.

Get the 2 speed off Ebay. Looks like they go for @20 bucks or less. The Flux tranny's are selling for 40+ (I believe they are buying their own parts back time after time....I've been trying to buy one for a couple months - no way are they selling that many of them at exactly the same price every time).

It thought I saw them come down a bit (into the low $30s....) but maybe not. I bought the X 2spd for $15 and got the idler for ~$7 in my next amain order. The fluxes were going for $40+ at the time. I even got the plastic 47T spur and slipper intact, while the fluxes were stripped. WTF.

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by Finnster

. I even got the plastic 47T spur and slipper intact, while the fluxes were stripped. WTF.

That's another thing I noticed also - ALL of the Flux trannies are being sold without slippers/gears. I haven't seen any of those parts being sold seperately - but then I havent done a search for them. Part of what leads me to believe they are just listing the same tranny over and over again.