No ask, no tell me

[kulangflow]

I personally don't believe that it's genetic, but I don't know enough to prove it one way or the other. If it is biological, I would guess that it's more of a genetic abnormality than an evolutionary trait, like being left-handed. (lol)

I really despise the term "homophobic" as a blanket to cover all who disagree with their choice of lifestyle. I don't agree with polygamy either, but it doesn't make my "polygamyphobic".

ZPB, interesting point about religion. I think God created a template for the human body but then allows nature to take its course with respect to forming the body within the womb. This helps explain abnormalities like my son's brain not forming properly. I think we are all given challenges to overcome. Many married monogamists may (nice alliteration) have a "natural" desire to stray and spread seed, so the challenge is to overcome the temptation and become stronger for it in order to maintain a solid family unit.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by kulangflow

ZPB, interesting point about religion. I think God created a template for the human body but then allows nature to take its course with respect to forming the body within the womb. This helps explain abnormalities like my son's brain not forming properly. I think we are all given challenges to overcome. Many married monogamists may (nice alliteration) have a "natural" desire to stray and spread seed, so the challenge is to overcome the temptation and become stronger for it in order to maintain a solid family unit.

I think that's well said. It fits what I believe. I also don't have a problem with evolution for the most part. There are many missing pieces like many things in science but don't see were anyone should believe God wouldn't let things evolve naturally as they need to.

Going back to genetic vs psychological I believe it's a psychological thing and can't be compared to being a different race. I believe that many factors including some that could be genetic can cause these feelings in people and fault no one for their feelings.

As was said previously by kulang:

Originally Posted by kulangflow

The line changes over time within most cultures. At what point does the line of acceptance drift far enough away that it becomes detrimental to the culture?

It's also hard to get past reno's point about evolution and what guides it to believe it would be a genetic part of evolution. One would think evolution would want to guide away from such things.

But to the main point I go in public bathrooms with gay people, I have been at the Y and other places and probably been in the shower areas with gay people, and none have ever jumped me. Of course there will always be people who take inappropriate actions but I don't think with the gay community that it is the norm.

Now I have heard the prison factor presented here but most psychologists/psychiatrists and the studies there of will point that homosexuality in prison is not about sex as much as it is about dominance. Kind of like when one male dog mounts another.

[kulangflow]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

But to the main point I go in public bathrooms with gay people, I have been at the Y and other places and probably been in the shower areas with gay people, and none have ever jumped me. Of course there will always be people who take inappropriate actions but I don't think with the gay community that it is the norm.

For me it's not the fear of action, but simply privacy. If a straight guy was in a shower full of women, he's going to be tempted to stare at them if nothing else. If a straight guy is in a shower full of guys, he'll break his own neck NOT to look at the other guys in there. Obviously there are exceptions, but I just want to maintain my own personal privacy.

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I think that's well said. It fits what I believe. I also don't have a problem with evolution for the most part. There are many missing pieces like many things in science but don't see were anyone should believe God wouldn't let things evolve naturally as they need to.

Going back to genetic vs psychological I believe it's a psychological thing and can't be compared to being a different race. I believe that many factors including some that could be genetic can cause these feelings in people and fault no one for their feelings.

I am somewhere in the middle between evolution and a 'god believing' person, but feel that both are fundamentally flawed, more so with religion... so maybe we aren't so different in our view points afterall, as we may have previously thought Texas. I dismiss religion as dangerous and is a sort of 'perversion' of God or the 'Universe' I like to call it now, word God has been far over used, abused, and has no meaning now, IMO. I think we are the Universe in 'expression', not seperate, but one, and the Universe is "energy and consciencenous". That is one thing that I think that many scientists can agree with. On the part of evolution, it is the means by which the Universe is expressed. Anyways, enough blabbering on my part, i'm sure none of you want to hear it.


Back to topic,
Look at history, when have we had more gays in our society than now? Look at other countries, what countries have significantly more gays than other? There is something at play here that is not merely geographical or genetic. Take Iran for example, not going to start a debate on the matter, but they don't really have much of any gay/lesbian people there at all, whether you support their society lifestyle or not, it is exactly that, an issue of society/lifestyle, the way a country is run, the food they eat, the media they watch, education they receive, religious influence,etc, etc. I really think it is a choice of the individual based on these influences through and through, nothing more.