Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[Rivermaxx]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Sorry to say but that is exactly the point. BL is pretty much plug and play once you get the wiring hooked up correctly. Even with two nitro engines that thing could not compete with the single BL setup. Sure nitro is fun for the averge Joe who just loves playing with tiny little replicas of real 1:1 cars, but brushless is just a better way to go all around. Now the challenge is to find the right wheel/tire setup that will hold up to the kinds of power that we are putting our trucks under. Nice share on all the videos guys. 84mph is not a bad showing for an MT.

Funny thing is that those 2 pos sts engines in that MT is not as good as 1 good novarossi or os.28xz. It really all comes down to putting the power to the ground. Brushless have instant torque right? but what good is it when you cant use it because it over powers your traction or just flips on the lid. Why is it that nobody with a brusless revo has beaten the current 66mph nitro record on the traxxas forum Been going on for 3 weeks . Current record is 62.8 revo with a mmm combo. I thought for sure sombody on this forum would break it by now. Maybe it cant be done.

[hemiblas]

I liked that vid. He has some nice power. I'm sure keeping it running isnt a picnic and I thought I read he has $4,000 into it. OUCH.

[George16]

Rivermaxx, I think one of the reasons Over revo's record (for the Revo) is not broken yet is due to the fact that people here are more matured compared to those attention-seeking-wanna-be's from the traxxas forum. Just look at the threads they are posting. Over revo spent a lot of time working on his setup. He didn't say anything until after his succesful initial run. In addition to that, he's a factory driver for AB mods so he has access to better stuff.

Only a handful of people here are speed freaks. I tried it with my gmaxx but did not fare well due to uncontrollability at high speeds in addition to not having a safe place to do the speed runs. I'm content doing 50-55 mph runs and double flips.

Anyway, it can be done. It just a matter of time. Let those noobs post and talk about there setups. In the end, someone will be able to do it.

[hemiblas]

This really isnt rocket science. I'm sure all anyone has to do is get one of those 80mm medusas on 6S and an MMM and the record could be broken. Or one of those Pletty Maximums or two. Whats really the point? Its not going to be driveable with that much power and its probably going to heat up after a couple of passes.

[Finnster]

I don't think nitro will ever go away. Both nitro and BL can be powerful. What is nice is that they have both got to a point where neither suck.

That's really what its come down to. Choices. If you like nitro, great. Run that and have fun. Prefer elec? You can now have a killer setup with that too. Both are fun and have diff adv/disadv.

Ironically I think Rivermaxx is doing the best in making the case against nitro. Basically he has said all along that all engines besides his personal favorite brand X are chitty, and even then require extensive and professional modding and setup to really even compete with basic and inexpensive off the shelf BL parts that can even be operated by beginners.

Well whatever. Have fun with that.

Personally I very much enjoy my near stock Sav XL w/ a "POS sport" (lol) LRP.28 and my various "mild" BL trucks that do a mere 50+mph. Thank god I'm not hungup on records and hyper-competitivism or it sounds like I'd never be having fun.

[Rivermaxx]

I am simply stating that alot of people think that all nitros with the same size engines have the same power output or the same reliability. Well its just like comparing a hand made neu or a pletty big maxximum to a hobby city motor. There is no comparison Right? The neu and pletty's are made better more efficient last longer and probably make more power. We all know this thats why we spend ~$250 instead of ~$50. My first nitro engines were the tiawan made traxxas engines and my first big block was a chinese hyper .21. These engines were both hard too tune and were prone too air leaks. They did have power when sealed & tuned properly(TRX 2.5 did awesome wheelies & hyper .21 did standing back flips & went ~55 mph 7 years ago) but neither was more user friendly or was easier to tune like an OS engine. OS engine are just made better for some reason they last a long time hold a tune and always have power. You really shouldnt judge somthing unless youve experienced it with good quality products. Basically you get what you pay for just like ecm's lipos and brushless motors.
Remember, I wasnt the first to challenge anyone I was merly trying to defend nitro for it good qualities. .

Originally Posted by jayjay283

Guarantee id smoke(less) you too. Anytime any place your chioce of vehicles. MT, Truggy, Buggy, 1/10th name it, if your "nitro wins" ill ...wear your hat

I was challenged first so when I called him out he talked more crap and wussed . I didnt start the thread "nitro sucks" but I am sure if I started a thread "Brushless Sucks" I would expect you guys too defend it also. Especially if I talked a bunch of crap about a hobby you love to do.

[Mozzy]

Got a bit of a story from today's run.

Went down to a local BMX track with a mate, his BL Revo, my CRT & buggy.

We were burning around doing some jumps over my jump. A guy rocks up with his little 1/10 nitro buggy. Didn't even think to ask us what frequency we were on (both Spektrum anyway) & then just drove around the footy oval on his own while his mates watch out silent rockets tearing up the grass.

They all ended up walking past after we'd packed up try to get a glimpse of what was so fast & silent. Hehehe.

Love it.


Rivermaxx, OS engines aren't that good. They have a short lifespan for their ease of tunability. You should've mentioned engines like RB, Novarossi, GRP, JP & the engines in the upper classes.

I've owned run & raced with all of those & the one I stuck with was RB. However, I now have $1200aud worth in two engines sitting in a box because I wanted to go even faster! :-)

[JERRY2KONE]

Hey RIver don't be too defensive about this. There are a lot of teens in here that have bailed on TRX and they just like taking cheap shots at anyone who speaks out about nitro. The majority of us in here have enough matority to know that it all has its good and bad points nitro or BL it really does not matter in the garnd sceme of things. We mostly run the BL stuff here and really just don't care that much about the nitro stuff. Still there are a select few who run both and seem to find a happy medium as I am sure that you will to. Life is too short to waste time engaging in sensless mumbo jumbo. The real test is on the race track and bashing wherever we can. Enjoy your conversion experience and just have some fun. We are always glad to see someone new at RCM doing what you are doing. Good luck.

[phatmonk]

I got into Nitro because it was chalanging to tune and perfect my nitro rigs performance. It doesnt suck though.It for me is just alot easier than the hastle of starter box,fuel,glowstarter,tuning tools etc.Nitro fuel is very Toxic and the exhaust is highly toxic also. Not to mention I have 3 daughters that like to play with my rcs now because they dont smell funny and make their eyes burn.Besides Brushless/Lipo provides massive power with great run times.I have a NT18 with a picco p 0 that is a blast to drive because it is nitro.

[Rivermaxx]

Thanks Jerry, No hater here. I just dont like people talking crap and not be able too back it up. Somebody got to defend the black sheep on the block especially if it cant defend itself. Its just my nature I guess. Besides I like having a debate its a good way to view a persons character and their point of views. As far as OS engines I personally have put about 5 gallons through my os.18tm and it sill runs like new I have heard them go as much as 10 gallons without a rebuild. It might not last as long if your tuning abilities are not refined. Brushless seems to be easy plug and play maybe a gear change for differnt voltage. Nitro is a little more challenging and takes a little more tunning abilities to make it perform its best. Maybe its just me but I like that challenge. I tell you what tuning a model nitro aint shit compared to tuning and syncing two dual carburated 1100hp each blown 572's in a boat. This is a vid of my other hobbie building engines.

[JERRY2KONE]

Hey RIver is that your boat? If you take waterskiers out I would love to hang out with you some time. That is one fun looking EXSPENSIVE toy. Something you said made a light bulb go off in my head.

I want to say up front that I am on the electrical side of this hobby for two simple reasons. With all of our international traveling it is just to complicated for me to mess with nitro fuels, so I steer clear of that. The second is that I know how simple it is, and I did not want this to be a painful experience for me in my retirement years.

BUT what I was just realizing is that a lot of the kids in here probably go the electric route just because it is easy, and less complicated for their level of knowledge hence "Plug & Play". The other thing I wanted to mention about some of the low blows you have been getting is just some of us having fun taking jabs at you for being the new Nitro guy on the site. I don't think anyone means to be mean to the nitro guys. It is just good clean fun. I think you are going to have a lot of fun in here once you establish yourself. Another day of R/C is a good thing.

[lincpimp]

Electric, just like nitro can be both easy and difficult. Consider a vxl rustler and a nitro rustler. Both are simple entry level vehicles, and they are really easy to use. Run decent sidexside nimhs and the vxl will have similar performance to the nitro rustler. With the easy start setup the nitro rustler is simple to start and run, plus you only need to carry the ez start and a screwdriver. If you want more performance you can throw a bigger motor in the rustler, like an os .18. If you want the vxl to go faster, a 3s lipo will do the trick.

As far as nitro goes I am not really a fan of the noise. I do like the ability to refill the tank and keep playing, and my racing friends say that keeping the engine running during a race is one of the main parts of the competition. Just as Jerry says, some people like electric, and others like nitro. Alot of the guys here are craftsmen, and I believe that electric has more opportunity to make and modify than nitro offers... I am not that familiar with custom nitro projects, or a forum dedicated to them, so don't shoot me!!!!

Electric will always have the edge on speed, due to the larger useable rpm range and low end torque that allows for more aggressive gearing. As battery technology continues to improve electric will get even better. I do see that nitro can be tuned and modded to make more power, but the motors will have to get forced induction and fuel injection to improve and match electric. And the fuel will most likely have to change too...

But as long as you are having fun, who cares what you run! For the last few months i have been playing with crawlers, and they can barely do 10mph!!!!

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

...I do see that nitro can be tuned and modded to make more power, but the motors will have to get forced induction and fuel injection to improve and match electric...

And that would be difficult at best. Forced induction doesn't work all that well with 2 stroke engines, and for the cost to power ratio, you could just get a better engine. And fule injection would really complicate setups I would think.

Really, I think the only reason why nitros became popular in the first place was because back in the day where NiCDs/mech speed controls/brushed motors were the norm, nitro was the only way to get serious affordable power in an RC. With highly efficient and powerful brushless motors/ESCs, and better battery technology in the market, the power advantage is shifted the other way. And the only argument the nitro guys can come up with is the "realism" factor and smell, both irrelevant to me.

There's nothing better than having a little toy go from 0-60 in like 3-5 seconds and the only noise is the whine of the motor and gears. Now, if they had the low growl that muscle cars have, maybe I'd try that...

Just yesterday I was at the LHS and some guy spent literally 1/2 hour trying to get his Revo started outside. By that time, I would have already played through a pack or two.

[JERRY2KONE]

Just yesterday I was at the LHS and some guy spent literally 1/2 hour trying to get his Revo started outside. By that time, I would have already played through a pack or two.
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yea by that time I would have parked it just under the front tire of my van and run it over a couple of times and then handed it over to the store owner and told him to start selling BL. Then I would have just bought an E-Revo and got it over with.

[George16]

Jerry, you should have schooled that guy. He'd probably ditch his nitro revo for brushless .

Anyway, nitro or electric shouldn't really matter as long as your enjoying either one of them or both. I enjoy them both myself and I'm about to charter into a new territory along with my son; crawling. I just received the Axial AX 10 today and will be assembling it after I get off of work in a few hours .

By the looks of it, I might end up buying my own crawler if he doesn't let me play with it.

Bottom line is I'm enjoying this hobby with my kids even though my wallet says otherwise