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Originally Posted by lutach

The $10T+ should be close to $15T+ . I agree with the rest .

I don't think they'll sell C just yet. Something might push the stock higher as others got pushed on what might be media hype and other things depending on the industry.

The Toyota thing to me is just a big set up by who knows who . I heard the 911 call from that 90MPH+ Prius and it was just plain simple BS. The 911 dispatcher said 2 times if the dumb ass had put the car on neutral, but the dumb ass didn't and probably acted like he didn't know what to do. A lot of people lack the simple thing called common sense and I know people in other places are about that joker. I would definitely not let him drive again. Toyota should get smart and find the source of the problem, isn't most parts for their vehicles sourced out? Everything just sounds strange, specially when other auto makers take advantage of the problems.

I saw some of that call during lunch today. I liked the part where the guy called in saying his car wouldn't stop, and the dispatcher responded by asking what Toyota he drove. HA!!!!1

IDK about the rest. Could be the guy was freaking out and not thinking, or he may be the next balloon boy. Time will tell. What I don't like about all the drive by wire stuff is that you are not in control of the car anymore. You push the brake and hope that the computer decides to listen to you.
I also heard some advice from Toyota that to turn off the car (if its speeding out of control) is to hold down the "start button" for 3s, then the car will stop. Sounded like they are changing some of the programming, such as a brake signal will override a accel signal (brilliant!). What BS.
Thought I also heard that the car will lock out shifting to Neutral if you are driving, as Toyota assumes to are too fraking stupid to know how to drive, and you didn't really mean to do what you said and should be ignored. I thought this was the case in that runaway Lexus case. The driver (a cop even) had a rental Lexus, it took off on him, he calls 911 as he's going 100mph and already burned out his brakes from standing on them. If it won't shift to N, brakes don't work, and there is no key to turn off, WTF do you do? You are strapped to a 350hp 4000lb rocket and are just hoping for the best.


Personally, I like my manual and having control over my car. If I want to take it out of gear, I press in the clutch.


I did read also that alot of these car companies don't design their own parts anymore, and more function as integrators of 3rd party sourced parts. These parts may also be shared across many car co's if they use the same source company. GM may be using some of these pedals.

Edit: thought I did hear Mark Zandi quote $14T as the debt the other day. Ah, whats a few trillion between friends?