Beware of knock off's of Castle Motors

[RC toy]

Looks like they have my favorite 1520
I would buy castle but cant find those even on ebay now. Guess I'll have to give Sirius a try once my 1520 dies.

http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?Categor...acturerID=1226

[ksb51rl]

Silly question here: if these aren't Castle motors why does this thread still exist in:
"RC-Monster Forums > Support Forums > Castle Creations"?

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by ksb51rl

Silly question here: if these aren't Castle motors why does this thread still exist in:
"RC-Monster Forums > Support Forums > Castle Creations"?

So we can inform people that even though they look the same, they are not and do not perform the same.

The weaker, cheaper magnets used in these clones alone can account for up to a 15% loss in efficiency. Cheaper copper and poor technique in the windings can further the losses of efficiency.

Castle is king and you get what you pay for.

[ksb51rl]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

So we can inform people that even though they look the same, they are not and do not perform the same.

The weaker, cheaper magnets used in these clones alone can account for up to a 15% loss in efficiency. Cheaper copper and poor technique in the windings can further the losses of efficiency.

Castle is king and you get what you pay for.

You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with all you've posted. But the fact is that by its very existence this thread is pointing others toward a line of possibly/probably knockoff motors that otherwise may not have been considered.

I think that is very unfair, especially in a forum so well supported by the company which will likely damaged the greatest not only by loss of sales but by having other entities associate them with an inferior product.

[Kcaz25]

Well there is a question mark at the end of the thread title.

[Kirkinsb]

Originally Posted by ksb51rl

You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with all you've posted. But the fact is that by its very existence this thread is pointing others toward a line of possibly/probably knockoff motors that otherwise may not have been considered.

I think that is very unfair, especially in a forum so well supported by the company which will likely damaged the greatest not only by loss of sales but by having other entities associate them with an inferior product.

You are probably right, some will go buy them just because they saw this thread or similar thread. And I pretty much agree with you and think this tread should be moved to a different category as well out of respect for Castle.....but then again this forum is much less regulated than say.......... the Traxxas forum....

[RC toy]

Originally Posted by ksb51rl

I think that is very unfair, especially in a forum so well supported by the company which will likely damaged the greatest not only by loss of sales but by having other entities associate them with an inferior product.

Don't forget this is mainly for UK market only.

[ksb51rl]

Right. Theft is not theft in the UK.

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by ksb51rl

Right. Theft is not theft in the UK.

Indeed- Castle motors are sold in a lot of countries world wide, just because the knock-offs aren't sold in the USA doesn't mean it isn't still hurting Castle.

Bit of a mine field these days really though- there are so many brands of 4 pole motors that are similar to Neus or Castle motors, who's to say which are intentional knockoffs and which are similar by coincidence ( only so many ways to make a 4 pole motor )?...

[suicideneil]

Interesting news- it seems that Sirius will no longer be sold in the UK at least & Modelsport are not stocking them any more ( when they're gone, they're gone ). One of the mods has stated Sirius lost the legal case over them and hence, Sirius is no more ( for the time being at least ). Good news for some, bad news for others, but there are plenty of other cheap brands to look to for options still...

[C-5Quad]

Well this has been an interesting read for sure. A lot of hate and passion from all involved. All I own is castle products in my RC'S "due to customer service is still existant unlike most companies" but at the same time its labled made in china on the motors. Are they quality? yes, but they could be made in the US and sold for the same price and profits still made. But like every other company they can't resist the cheep border line slave labor over there that stuffs huge profits into a select few pockets. While the actual work force makes less then half a turd split between 4. Thats why they steal and sell castle tech. Just rember castle gave them everything they needed to know....The entire process how to produce it start to finish. It's not right for them to copy and sell the protected plans but hardship pushes people to do messed up things.

. But hey thats what happens these days, we take a great product designed here and have another country make it, so we make more money....Then cry when they sell our plans to competitors... Thats what you get when your mentality is "why work hard thats whats China and Mexico are for". Only a select portion of the castle staff is US based, just enough to get good PR. A 8 hour day engeneering in front of a computer is no different then 8 hours of assembling tiny motors. Each person has to give up 8 hours of thier life for the product to become a reality.

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[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by C-5Quad

Well this has been an interesting read for sure. A lot of hate and passion from all involved. All I own is castle products in my RC'S "due to customer service is still existant unlike most companies" but at the same time its labled made in china on the motors. Are they quality? yes, but they could be made in the US and sold for the same price and profits still made. But like every other company they can't resist the cheep border line slave labor over there that stuffs huge profits into a select few pockets. While the actual work force makes less then half a turd split between 4. Thats why they steal and sell castle tech. Just rember castle gave them everything they needed to know....The entire process how to produce it start to finish. It's not right for them to copy and sell the protected plans but hardship pushes people to do messed up things.

. But hey thats what happens these days, we take a great product designed here and have another country make it, so we make more money....Then cry when they sell our plans to competitors... Thats what you get when your mentality is "why work hard thats whats China and Mexico are for". Only a select portion of the castle staff is US based, just enough to get good PR. A 8 hour day engeneering in front of a computer is no different then 8 hours of assembling tiny motors. Each person has to give up 8 hours of thier life for the product to become a reality.

Support free education

How advanced would we be if our children had free access to learn anything they wanted reguardless of how welthy the family they come from is?

Ummmm.... I hate to burst your bubble.

Castle Engineering is based in Kansas. We have over 120 employees in Kansas. We still design and build ALL of our electronics right here in Olathe.

We design the motors in Kansas too, along with assistance from Steve Neu (in California.)

There are reasons we build the motors in China -- mainly supply of rare earths. It's difficult to export rare earth in quantity from China -- the Chinese govt. has a stranglehold on the exports of rare earths.

Also, it would be extremely difficult to build the motors in the USA, and still be able to offer them to OEMs like Traxxas -- the labor time involved in winding a good quality motor precludes us from being able to build the motors in the USA and still offer them at a price which would acceptable.

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

There are reasons we build the motors in China -- mainly supply of rare earths. It's difficult to export rare earth in quantity from China -- the Chinese govt. has a stranglehold on the exports of rare earths.

That's an interesting bit of info. Useless to me but still interesting.

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Also, it would be extremely difficult to build the motors in the USA, and still be able to offer them to OEMs like Traxxas -- the labor time involved in winding a good quality motor precludes us from being able to build the motors in the USA and still offer them at a price which would acceptable.

I don't mean to offend but that sounds to me exactly like what C5Quad was saying. Though, I don't assume all companies are killing the pig in these times.

[BrianG]

It partially comes down to labor costs. Americans want to get paid upwards of $15/hr yet don't want to pony up to pay more for motors as a result of that added cost.

If motors are made in China for reduced labor (and final product) cost, people complain we are using "slave labor".

If motors are made in the US, people complain prices are too high (due to labor costs). Go back a few years where the only good motors were Neu and LMT, and the prices reflected that quality.

But no, people have to bitch and moan about something. Everyone wants top-shelf quality made in the USA, but don't want to pay for it. Idiots.

[C-5Quad]

Dont mind me I was just agrivated at the whole world system and my post had very little to do with this topic........I'm man enough to say sorry as it was just me venting but in the wrong place, on the wrong topic, and far from the right time.

I sounded ignorant because at that point in time I was indeed being ignorant. My head has been removed from my ass.......and the air smells much better now...again sorry for my rant that had nothing good to provide and should have been kept to my self.

It has only caused more anger in other people. Who, if they never saw it would have never had that negetive energy forced into their day.

I hope others learn from my mistake and see how truly infectious negetivity is to those around us. Try to be constructive and aid in good things vs destructive. For we all share this moment in time. It's never to late to change for the better!