Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[redshift]

lol the Nitro forum here should be a dedicated inteRveNTIOn section, focused on those who need our help the most...

[BrianG]

To be fair, there are a number of benefits of nitro, listed below:

1: You don't mind going mudding, because even if you don't, the combination of dirt and nitro oil will make mud anyway.

2: Realism I guess. Although, I've never known a 1:1 car to sound like a giant mosquito, nor do they smell so bad I want to vomit.

3: Fumes contributes to global warming. With the temps here right now (and the last few days), it would be welcome.

4: Fumes gets you high without resorting to illegal drugs.

5: Gives you exercise. Not only do you have to walk over to flip the vehicle back over, you have to walk to your pit area to restart it.

6: The noise gives the neighbors something to complain about.

7: Most animals won't chase a nitro. Not only are they loud, but the fumes keeps them away. I guess that makes animals are smarter than nitro users.

8: Making you think you are cool because you can work on an "engine".

That's about all I can think of right now, but I'm sure you guys can come up with others...

[hootie7159]

9: Carrying around the starter box, glow plugs, extra fuel, batteries for the receiver, batteries for the starter, and an extra gallons of fuel will get you stronger as well...good for your muscles and cardio...

10: Who want to clean off their car with just an airhose anyways? Its just too easy!!!

11: Taking apart your nitro engine and then putting it back together and NOT having it start is WAY more fun than changing a brushless motor's bearings...

12: Four words...Clutch bells, clutch shoes....yesssss..gotta love those springs!!!!

13: Plug and Play is soooo overrated...I'd rather take out my car, put some fuel in it...Then attempt to start it for the next 20min and figure out why its not starting instead of the electric guys who are already on their 2nd battery...


my 2cents...

[BrianG]

14: Improves your math skills. Calculating the optimum mixture based on temperature, humidity, and planetary alignment takes some pretty advanced stuff!

LOL, someone should start a "Advantages of Nitro" thread with all these on there.

And an amended #9:

9: Carrying around the starter box, glow plugs, extra fuel, batteries for the receiver, batteries for the starter, and an extra gallons of fuel will get you stronger as well...good for your muscles and cardio... And if you choose to forego the starter box, the purist route of repeatedly yanking on that pullstring a billion times will also strengthen your arms. Just be sure to switch sides once in a while to maintain an even muscle tone.

[_paralyzed_]

15. the vibration of nitro engines constantly loosens screws, making tear down and rebuilding easier, which is necessary since your motor mount screws loosened changing your gear mesh requiring spur and clutchbell maintenance.

[jayjay283]

my favorite thing about nitro was the police can hear you from a mile away playing in a parking lot at 2am obviously under the influence, and it gives our civil servants a good hour to make fun of you and ask you crap about your car while noticing how red eyed you are knowing your heart is about to fall out of your chest. Brushless is like a 9mm with a silencer LOL. I roll that thing in a lot by my house (old sears closed down) and the police station is less that a block away. Never had "the man" roll up on me

[Ryu James]

are there really still nitro purists these days? cuz if there is they are really going to have their feelings hurt should they come across that list. very well put together. you almost had me convinced to switch to nitro.

you know what i dont get, all the 1/8 pro drivers who grace the covers of magazines and are still holding up some dirty nitro. i thought the pros were supposed to be at the forefront of this industry. i mean, i think to myself, "those pros must only drive those nitros because their contract requires them too." why the hell arent they pushing their sponsors to get with the times and get a brushless kit made pronto and then let the pro sell the hell out of it on the covers. or do the pros really love nitro that much still? do they not want to admit they are racing a dying breed? i just want to hear an honest opinion from like Drake, or Truhe, or Cavalieri. not some sponsor written statement about how much they love their newest nitro kit. have any of them even driven an 1/8 brushless? some of you members out in SoCal must see them at the tracks. do they bring their brushless setup to the track at 1am when no one is there so they can secretly have some real fun without pissing off their sponsor? enquiring minds want to know.

[BL_RV0]

I personally have not seen that, but I'll go to more tracks at 1am to really find the truth!

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by jayjay283

my favorite thing about nitro was the police can hear you from a mile away playing in a parking lot at 2am obviously under the influence, and it gives our civil servants a good hour to make fun of you and ask you crap about your car while noticing how red eyed you are knowing your heart is about to fall out of your chest. Brushless is like a 9mm with a silencer LOL. I roll that thing in a lot by my house (old sears closed down) and the police station is less that a block away. Never had "the man" roll up on me

Yes but at least they cannot arrest you for DUI driving the nitro.

[Rivermaxx]

Cmon guys with all this shit talking somebodies got to back it up. lets see some mph numbers and video to prove it. Make me a believer lets see some top speed numbers with your buggies and mt"s. Somebody in this brushless elite crew got to have some sort of video of your truck truggy or buggy haulin ass and winning races. I am going to build my brushless truck too hall ass but I want to see what its potential can be. BTW Lito, that video dont count because I cant see a thing on that gps, unless someone was there to back it up. If anyone can break records it should be you guys, well go out and do it! instead of bitching and complaining about how much you hate nitro. I am not hating at all. I just want some proof because talk is cheap. Make me a believer I am half way there anyway.LOL Good question! Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years. Please dont get mad at me for this post but I didnt start this crap shoot. Peace

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

...Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years....

It's already been said; those guys seem to be stuck in the dark ages. People fear what they don't understand.

As far as proof goes, just look at Nic Case's record... Yeah, it's not a MT, but still...

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Cmon guys with all this shit talking somebodies got to back it up. lets see some mph numbers and video to prove it. Make me a believer lets see some top speed numbers with your buggies and mt"s. Somebody in this brushless elite crew got to have some sort of video of your truck truggy or buggy haulin ass and winning races. I am going to build my brushless truck too hall ass but I want to see what its potential can be. BTW Lito, that video dont count because I cant see a thing on that gps, unless someone was there to back it up. If anyone can break records it should be you guys, well go out and do it! instead of bitching and complaining about how much you hate nitro. I am not hating at all. I just want some proof because talk is cheap. Make me a believer I am half way there anyway.LOL Good question! Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years. Please dont get mad at me for this post but I didnt start this crap shoot. Peace

You are right, talk is cheap. There really is no way to describe the difference between nitro and electric.

I honestly belive that nitro will always be around because companies like traxxas made it easy. Unless there is a severe temp extreme most nitro vehicles will start reasonably easily, and after that they can be played with. People who just want to play and do not have much technical ability or lintelligence can operate a nitro. Maybe not to the fullest extent of the design, but it still drives and produces grins!

Brushless electric requires more intimate knowledge of batteries and chargers and setup, plus motors, escs and gearing. If you like making stuff and tinkering (like most of us here do) then electric has more options than nitro. Consider what the rock crawling crowd do, and FE boat guys, and all of the electric heli and plane people.

I will go as far to say that electric is more difficult than nitro. I can tune a nitro motor, and a clutch. I have fixed tons of nitro vehicles for the LHS and the owners usually have no idea what they are doing save for pulling the trigger.

As far as racing, electric is not really popular due to strange sanctioning bodies rules and the general lack of proven "systems". The top drivers like what they are doing, and the change to electric would require a huge amount of money and time to get working. Plius most mfgs make nitro stuff, so that is what is raced. Not too many off the shelf brushless vehicles yet. Brushless has been around for a while, but it is a delicate equation to balance to make it work.

If you are the kind of guy who likes a challenge, and has some manual dexterity you will enjoy brushless electric. Get ready to learn alot, as doing bl right takes a fair amount of knowledge.

As far as vids and proof, you just need to look around, it is there. No doubt brushless has more power, torque and gearing potential than nitro. It also has lower maintenance and is cleaner. And don't forget that Nitro is cheaper, and that is why it is still around... Admittedly a comparable bl setup to a nitro vehicle for speed and power would be pretty cheap, a bk esc and a l can feigao on 2 1500 nicd stickpacks in series should do...

[Finnster]

I've had all BL cars for several years now, but got my 1st nitro in a Savage XL. First I intended to convert it, but had a spare 427 motor, so threw it in and ran it for a bit. Way slower than a BL, so much less TQ, and a pain in a lot of ways (as described.) The biggest pain was having to carry so much crap around, starter, wrench, temp gun, screwdriver and glow starter. Plus the fuel is fookin expensive and goes fast. $40 of nitro goes way faster than you would guess. Plus the radio batts runs down fast w/ big servos.

But... it was still a lot of fun. So much I got a LRP .28 for it.
Faster, but still not as much as BL. Break-in sucks, and its a bit messy, but the savvy TVPs keeps it pretty clean. (pan chassis are a disaster tho.) Its a pull start, usually starts in a couple pulls.

Why did I get a nitro motor for it?
1.) for something different. Plus should learn about nitros to really appreciate how better BL is.
2.) It still is a lot of fun. Yes its slower, but for a huge MT like the XL, is still fast enough.
The nice thing about nitro is that its a bit easier to just grab and go out if you haven't driven in a while. You got to keep lipos stored @ 50% charge, so in my busy house, if I get a few mins to go play, it get wrecked by having to wait for batts.
IDK about realism, but it is fun making racket w/ the XL while trashing thru the grass and bushes.

Now, I would never ever race a nitro! They are a freaking pain, and need so much attention to get them running right. W/ a basher, as long as it runs decently its fine. I don't get too hung up on the tune (as long as its not too hot) and pipes and all that crap. Whatever, it just works.
So much of nitro racing seems on just tuning the motor. BL frees you from this to focus on tuning the rest of the car. The races tend be less about who stalls out first to lose.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years.

In a lot of the major races and championships and some smaller events (depending on the track officials), brushless isn't allowed to compete with the nitro's, so they won't be on the podium even if they're fast enough. That's also why it's rare to see pro drivers competing with brushless 1/8th's, because they won't be allowed to compete in some of the major events.

[JERRY2KONE]

Thats right Patrick. ROAR officails keep the Brushless competitors out of the races, why is that you ask? It is because they know that BL is comming and will over run the nitros if they open the door and let them in. Lets look at this even closer. WHO controls the ROAR rulebook? Thats right, the major nitro equipment suppliers. It is just like why don't we already have electric cars flooding the highways?? Because the oil companies are keeping the technology down in order to sell their oil. Greedy bastards. I guess the same sort of thinking applies to racing R/C's. Have a nice day. Don't be a hater...