1s esc from castle

[rchippie]

How did the pre order go for the 1s MM pro, did you get sufficent orders to consider making this a regular item ?.

I didn't end up ordering one, with Christmas and such and the price was more than I could get a regular MMP, also it didn't help that another manufacturer is offering their 1s esc with built in smart boost for $100. So I didn't end up getting anything, just waiting to see how the 1s war sorts itself out.

[Pdelcast]

Besides, many events have banned the new Castle 1S controller for the remainder of the racing season, 'cause we are too fast.

Which I think is totally BS. Punish the manufacturer for making something BETTER for the hobby. What a load.

[BrianG]

Wow, that sucks. OK then, just put a 0.05 ohm resistor in the power lead.

[feistyacorn]

The solder posts are a cool idea. Will you be adding them to the standard mm pro? Come to think of it, I would prefer solder posts on every esc. Please...

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Besides, many events have banned the new Castle 1S controller for the remainder of the racing season, 'cause we are too fast.

Which I think is totally BS. Punish the manufacturer for making something BETTER for the hobby. What a load.

I totally agree Patrick that is complete BS, just cause you guys are kicking everyone elses butt you shouldn't be punished, heck your controller should be the new standard!

Don't get discouraged by others that have their heads up their arses and are threatened by something new that has been released. If you put the 1s out to the masses, people will buy it and sooner or later all the tracks will be forced to allow it. As an alternative of actually makeing the 1s esc a regular production item, you could support (modded) MMPs with special software and updates, to keep the 1s esc alive at tracks that do allow it untill it becomes the norm. (Obviously modding a MMP will void warranty but hard core racers won't care anyway as the MMP is cheap enough to replace or have repaired under the flat rate charge.)

If I had the extra cash at the time I would have bought your 1s MMP, but I couldn't justify spending the extra cash on a car that wasn't my primary racer. I do have an MMP in my Xray VTA car and its AWESOME, people were even accusing me of C.H.E.A.T.ing and will soon have one for my Ve8.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Besides, many events have banned the new Castle 1S controller for the remainder of the racing season, 'cause we are too fast.

Which I think is totally BS. Punish the manufacturer for making something BETTER for the hobby. What a load.

Patrick,

Do you think it's time for a new and better sanctioning body if ROAR has anything to do with this? One that would allow technology to strive. So from what you're saying, Castle's MMP, Tekin's RS/RS Pro, Novak's Kinetic, Team Wave RBs, Orca and AE Black Diamond will all be banned due to the turbo or any other new features?

[rchippie]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Besides, many events have banned the new Castle 1S controller for the remainder of the racing season, 'cause we are too fast.

Which I think is totally BS. Punish the manufacturer for making something BETTER for the hobby. What a load.

Patrick at least your ESC is 1/2 the cost of the Black diamond esc . . I belive your esc is legal at the snowbirds . Yes it is BS about the ban on your 1s esc . Are they banning it because it's to fast, or the fact that they are not readily avalible yet to everyone ?.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by lutach

Patrick,

Do you think it's time for a new and better sanctioning body if ROAR has anything to do with this? One that would allow technology to strive. So from what you're saying, Castle's MMP, Tekin's RS/RS Pro, Novak's Kinetic, Team Wave RBs, Orca and AE Black Diamond will all be banned due to the turbo or any other new features?

No, this isn't ROAR, it's TOUR and BRL -- the carpet racing guys. The MMP 1S will be legal next racing season (after summer 2010--) But we worked hard to get the 1S on the market before Jan 1st so we would be legal, and then the outlawed us anyway.

And yes, we will be legal for Snowbirds... And it wasn't just us, Tekin's new software, and the Black Diamond were also banned.

So it goes.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

No, this isn't ROAR, it's TOUR and BRL -- the carpet racing guys. The MMP 1S will be legal next racing season (after summer 2010--) But we worked hard to get the 1S on the market before Jan 1st so we would be legal, and then the outlawed us anyway.

And yes, we will be legal for Snowbirds... And it wasn't just us, Tekin's new software, and the Black Diamond were also banned.

So it goes.

I hope this doesn't put an end to new technology. In one way, this is complete BS. If I spend the money on a ESC, I should be allowed to use it, specially if I pay to race. It would be awesome to see everyone not going, because everyone had a banned ESC, TOUR and BRL would die quick. One day our hobby will be just like full scale racing full of BS rules.

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by lutach

I hope this doesn't put an end to new technology. In one way, this is complete BS. If I spend the money on a ESC, I should be allowed to use it, specially if I pay to race. It would be awesome to see everyone not going, because everyone had a banned ESC, TOUR and BRL would die quick. One day our hobby will be just like full scale racing full of BS rules.

Screw TOUR and BRL, I want to race under the LUTACH rules

[ta_man]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Besides, many events have banned the new Castle 1S controller for the remainder of the racing season, 'cause we are too fast.

Which I think is totally BS. Punish the manufacturer for making something BETTER for the hobby. What a load.

Originally Posted by lutach

Patrick,

Do you think it's time for a new and better sanctioning body if ROAR has anything to do with this? One that would allow technology to strive. So from what you're saying, Castle's MMP, Tekin's RS/RS Pro, Novak's Kinetic, Team Wave RBs, Orca and AE Black Diamond will all be banned due to the turbo or any other new features?

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

No, this isn't ROAR, it's TOUR and BRL -- the carpet racing guys. The MMP 1S will be legal next racing season (after summer 2010--) But we worked hard to get the 1S on the market before Jan 1st so we would be legal, and then the outlawed us anyway.

And yes, we will be legal for Snowbirds... And it wasn't just us, Tekin's new software, and the Black Diamond were also banned.

So it goes.

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

Screw TOUR and BRL, I want to race under the LUTACH rules

With all due respect to Patrick (and that is a lot!), the comments above indicate you just don't get what this is about.

The reason for the carpet racers to go to 1S to begin with was to slow down the cars and have different speed classes with the available motors. So there is a 17.5/1S class for beginners, 13.5/1S class for intermediate skill drivers and a 10.5/1S class for experts.

The Advanced Timing speedos like the Mamba Max Pro threw that out the window by making the 17.5 as fast as the 13.5 was and the 13.5 as fast as the 10.5 was. So to keep the speeds the same for this season TOUR and BRL recommended against (or banned) the A.T. ESCs.

The plan is next season to drop down one more wind for each class and use 21.5/1S for beginner, and so on.

They would rather have people continue to race this season with classes they already fit into than have people quit because the cars are too fast.

For carpet racers it is not about how fast you can go, leaving other cars in the dust, it is about having close competitive racing (at least to the extent possible given the skill of the competitors).

[BrianG]

Well then, if that's what the're after, they need an rpm limiter module. That way, no matter what ESC or motor or voltage is used, all the cars will be the same speed.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

Screw TOUR and BRL, I want to race under the LUTACH rules

What rules . I mean, rules are fine, but to a certain extent. Not allowing one to use a ESC because it has kick ass technology, that's total BS. Like I mentioned before, a ROAR director has said 4 and 6 pole sensored motors are legal and yes I'm trying to get a few made. If Castle or any other company comes out with one before it'll be great and then we will see how this so called sanctions or clubs will treat them.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by ta_man

With all due respect to Patrick (and that is a lot!), the comments above indicate you just don't get what this is about.

The reason for the carpet racers to go to 1S to begin with was to slow down the cars and have different speed classes with the available motors. So there is a 17.5/1S class for beginners, 13.5/1S class for intermediate skill drivers and a 10.5/1S class for experts.

The Advanced Timing speedos like the Mamba Max Pro threw that out the window by making the 17.5 as fast as the 13.5 was and the 13.5 as fast as the 10.5 was. So to keep the speeds the same for this season TOUR and BRL recommended against (or banned) the A.T. ESCs.

The plan is next season to drop down one more wind for each class and use 21.5/1S for beginner, and so on.

They would rather have people continue to race this season with classes they already fit into than have people quit because the cars are too fast.

For carpet racers it is not about how fast you can go, leaving other cars in the dust, it is about having close competitive racing (at least to the extent possible given the skill of the competitors).

I have to agree with this one, but how is this fair for the manufacturer? If Castle has a better product then the over priced ones, then it would be awesome for Castle to enjoy some profit, not on a over priced unit, but one made here in the US. Not only that, a lot of LHS would also enjoy selling some more ESCs in these hard times. I know they're struggling, so a ESC like the MMP which is not expensing, would be nice for them. When I raced a Xtreme RC Addicts, I used my 21.5T motor with 4 cell NiMH and everyone else was running a 17.5T or 13.5T with 1S lipos. My car was not set up properly, but I could still keep up with them. So would my ESC be banned as well and it doesn't even have A.T. in it?

Edit: So how many ESC are there without A.T. at them moment? Novak and Losi?