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JERRY2KONE · **Moving to mexico -** 05.18.2010, 12:29 AM

Dear President Obama:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican Government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico , but I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my housetop, put U S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I'll need income tax credits so that although I don't pay Mexican taxes, I'll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Government pays $4,500.00 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

You're the man!!!

pinkpanda3310 · 05.18.2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PBO

I'm not an illegal so I don't know the ins & outs of disappearing however I do know that it's easy enough to pay into the system with PAYE etc. Unless you can create/steal a new identity, I don't think you can take back from the system...as in - leave the country, recieve Medicare benefits (they closed that loop), open a bank account, get finance etc or am I wrong about that??

I'm not too sure of the technicalities like that but like BG said the law will accommadate them to a degree. A bit like rewarding them for avoiding laws that apply to everyone else. Even when they do go through a legitimate course and get knocked back they just apply for an NZ residency and pop over.

You have to admit we are soft here. Boat people bypass several countries that take assylum seekers just to get here. If they are granted never mind the the rental crisis, they get a place to stay and gov't benefits all layed out for them in their own language.

I used to think my dad was harsh when he said 'shoot them out of the water', but make sure it got on TV that would send the message to stay where they are.

'Laws are in place for the obedience of fools and the guidance of the wise', that's bullshit people are always going to wrought the system.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm not against immigrants (my wife is testimont to that) I just don't like people who have blatent disregard for the laws that apply to everyone. Including those that come on the plane.

pinkpanda3310 · 05.18.2010, 12:44 AM

Nice one Jerry.

JERRY2KONE · 12:50 AM

The whole thing is just a big bunch of crap IMHO. Like stated previously the laws are and have been in effect for many years, and AZ just copied what was already in our federal statutes and made them local state laws in order to give them the power to act on those laws within the state Gov system. It has also been stated that if you read the laws as written there is previsions to prevent racial profiling. So the whole arguement is another piece of crap for the ACLU and NAACP to use as a tool to overthrow rules that the majority of the people in the USA want. As I have stated in previous threads I just don't see what the stand on this is. If anyone arrives here in the USA they have the same chances as everyone else to apply for citizenship and go through the legal process that was setup in the first place to become a part of our country. If you (black, white, yellow, red or whatever color your skin is or whatever God/religeon you believe in) cannot follow the rules setup in our country, then get the hell out. How can anyone really find fault in that process, and wage a legal arguement that has any merrit what so ever? Who in the hell is running this country anyway? My best friend always jokes about how I should not worry, because OBAMA is going to fix everything wrong with this country. What a joke.

pinkpanda3310 · 05.18.2010, 01:12 AM

Maybe I should rephrase what I said before- 'laws that apply to everyone' should be 'laws that should apply to everyone'. Something that gov't's struggle with.

PBO · 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

I'm not too sure of the technicalities like that but like BG said the law will accommadate them to a degree. A bit like rewarding them for avoiding laws that apply to everyone else. Even when they do go through a legitimate course and get knocked back they just apply for an NZ residency and pop over.

You have to admit we are soft here. Boat people bypass several countries that take assylum seekers just to get here. If they are granted never mind the the rental crisis, they get a place to stay and gov't benefits all layed out for them in their own language.

I used to think my dad was harsh when he said 'shoot them out of the water', but make sure it got on TV that would send the message to stay where they are.

'Laws are in place for the obedience of fools and the guidance of the wise', that's bullshit people are always going to wrought the system.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm not against immigrants (my wife is testimont to that) I just don't like people who have blatent disregard for the laws that apply to everyone. Including those that come on the plane.

Yeah, it's a tough situation with the boat people. On one hand you have people risking literally everything to come to a country they think will offer them & presumably their families the opportunities & security they want. On the other you have genuine refugees seeking asylum from persecution...if caught, they all get locked up for processing & hopefully they weed out the good from bad

I must admit, I'm not too keen on immigrants (legal or not) who isolate themselves into their own communities, don't bother learning the language, treat our country like their former country & hate everyone except their fellow countrymen...if we're all so bad - why the hell did you bother coming. Happy to buy them a plane ticket "home" to make way for someone who actually appreciates being here

I had a casual employee who gave me some of that one day...ranting and raving about how crap Australia was...couldn't wait to leave for freakin Lebanon of all places...he was instantly pushed out the door, followed closely by his bag full of hair products & car theiving tools...ta ta

JERRY2KONE · **Me to. -** 05.18.2010, 08:14 AM

Yeah, it's a tough situation with the boat people. On one hand you have people risking literally everything to come to a country they think will offer them & presumably their families the opportunities & security they want. On the other you have genuine refugees seeking asylum from persecution...if caught, they all get locked up for processing & hopefully they weed out the good from bad

If you were to go on a vacation you would do your research first and make sure that where you are going is safe, and has a vacancy for you right? Plus when things are tough here in teh USA do Americans jump on a boat and head for Cuba? Hell now we figure out how to overcome the issue and move on. Why can't they do that in their own country and stop thinking that the USA is their only savior.

I must admit, I'm not too keen on immigrants (legal or not) who isolate themselves into their own communities, don't bother learning the language, treat our country like their former country & hate everyone except their fellow countrymen...if we're all so bad - why the hell did you bother coming. Happy to buy them a plane ticket "home" to make way for someone who actually appreciates being here

I agree totally. If you wish to reside here then learn the friken language or go back where you came from. A visit is one thing, but to stay here for years and never learning English should be a crime in itself. If you want to become a citizen of the USA, then you should be given one year to learn how to speak enough English for us to understand your speach or go home and don't come back until you can speak it fluently. As for how some of these communities spring up of some other nationality and don't want anyone else around. As long as they keep things on the peaceful side why not. It happens in every level of nature in all species.

JThiessen · 05.18.2010, 09:37 AM

I haven't verified if this quote is true or not, but I liked it:

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'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

I was also watching the show "America: How we got here" on PBS (or discovery??), and there was a similar statement made by one of our founding fathers. I wish I could remember what it was and who made it.

BrianG · 10:05 AM

It's funny to me to see very similar sentiments from just about anyone I talk to (even people with Hispanic descent), yet the media would have you think otherwise. I guess they are counting on the people who do not have minds of their own, and accept what they are told at face value.

Legal immigrants are fine; they have gone through the due process and made the effort to assimilate to us, not the other way around. Those are the people that are welcome. The illegals are just here for the free ride and are getting it. And until that gravy train comes to a stop, no amount of border patrol or so-called legislation is going to help.

I have a new idea: If you are pro-illegal immigrant, then how about if we stuff your house with them, you have to feed them, you have to clothe them, you have to educate them, you have to provide medical care, you have to learn their language and provide them with all documents and media in their language, you have to accept and support their culture, you are responsible for any illegal actions they may perform, and you have to provide them an income. All of this is to be provided from your income with no gov't assistance whatsoever.

pinkpanda3310 · 05.18.2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianG

I have a new idea: If you are pro-illegal immigrant, then how about if we stuff your house with them, you have to feed them, you have to clothe them, you have to educate them, you have to provide medical care, you have to learn their language and provide them with all documents and media in their language, you have to accept and support their culture, you are responsible for any illegal actions they may perform, and you have to provide them an income. All of this is to be provided from your income with no gov't assistance whatsoever.

I'm sure pro-illegals would be up for that if they could just find that elusive tree the gov. apparently has. They live in a dream world

BrianG · 05.18.2010, 12:09 PM

More info: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rss=rss_nation

rabosi · 05.18.2010, 12:11 PM

To be fair, everyone in Arizona (and the whole country imo) regardless of color should have to carry proof of citizenship. Mexicans or brown people are not the only illegal immigrants. There are also many illegal Europeans and Asians here. I think a national I.D. card would be a great idea. No I.D. card, no government services. I can only see someone being against the I.D. card if they have something to hide or are fearful of law enforcement abuses. But in that case you would also have to be against the Arizona law (law enforcement abuses).
I'm against illegals and the freebies they get but if you think that they account for the majority of our tax dollars, then you have been drinking the Kool-aid. IMO most of the waste come from legal americans scamming the system in some way. This includes businessmen and politicians.
Concerning illegals, I've heard some of them are able to acquire legal documents such as SS cards and driver's license by paying off employees that work in those offices which if true is a travesty itself.

TexasSP · 05.18.2010, 12:16 PM

What's amazing to me is how complicated the government and some people want to make it seem when in actuality it's a very simple concept.

They also want to paint those against illegal immigration as racist and anti immigration then bring up that this is a country of immigrants. Well basically every country is a country is a country of immigrants.

Immigration is great and many of my friends are immigrants. They did it the correct and legal way while also supporter the US and not staying beholden to their own country of origin.

The other argument is the one how the illegals do the jobs that US citizens won't do. This is one of the biggest lies there is. Many will do the jobs but cannot afford to work for the wages that illegals do. When the illegals keep all of their income plus the hand outs they get from the government compared to a citizen who pays 25% in taxes and must cover their own food and medical costs, it doesn't even compare.

You take a guy that makes 30k per year, then take out 6k for medical, 7.5k for taxes, 12k for rent/mortgage, another 3k for food, then the other miscellaneous expense he has nothing left.

Well take an illegal, they may make 20k in cash, 0k to taxes, 0k to health care, 0k to food (food stamps/welfare covers this) then add in subsidized housing, they still end up with at least 15k a year for whatever while the citizen who supposedly makes more ends up with zero.

Proponents of amnesty want to make things more complicated when in reality it's simple math and economics. Just like figuring debt and budgets. Many in the government would try to convince you that government debt is somehow healthy and/or different from personal debt. It's BS, debt is debt and the borrower is ALWAYS slave to the lender. Not too mention the government is creating the same scenario that caused Enron and many others to collapse and the government can and will collapse. If the numbers don't add up at the end of the day you have a problem.

Then get down to profiling. Profiling is a key law enforcement tool and it's absolutely naive to see it any other way. Take me for example:

If the cops get a report that a 30-40 year old Caucasian male with a bald head and goatee approximately 5'10" to 6'10" just robbed a convenience store and was seen going south or north street in a black SUV, I can find it reasonable that the police would pull me over in my black 4runner if I was anywhere in the area. Would I like it, no. Would I understand it, yes. Would I complain and whine because it happened, no. I would be happy the police were doing their jobs well.

Same goes with border protection. If your on the southern border you will be looking more at people of Latin and Middle Eastern descent. If you are on the northern border you will look more at people of European/Caucasian as well as other descent.

If you are in the airport you sure as heck should not be wasting time looking at little old ladies in wheel chairs.

Again, profiling is just one of many tools in the law enforcement arsenal used to fight crime.

BrianG · 05.18.2010, 12:19 PM

According to the AZ law, even a valid drivers license will suffice. If the person cannot provide a license, or if it appears fake, the officer can then request other forms of ID.

I don't understand the resistance against ID'ing people; after all, I get ID'd whenever I buy cigarettes, alcohol, or get stopped by the police. I carry my ID with me at all times.

And to be clear, I am also not talking just about Mexicans. Like you said, this applies to all illegals. It's just that the AZ law is primarily targeted towards that ethnic group simply because they are the problems right now.

Oh, and in case your blood isn't already boiling, take a gander: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/

pinkpanda3310 · 05.18.2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rabosi

I'm against illegals and the freebies they get but if you think that they account for the majority of our tax dollars, then you have been drinking the Kool-aid. IMO most of the waste come from legal americans scamming the system in some way. This includes businessmen and politicians.

Your right, they are no the biggest portion of tax, but don't you reckon it's frustrating working and living in a place where illegals can just show up and are given the money you paid in tax. 'Nevermind building a new school we've got to build a detention centre.'

And don't you worry about the white collars, Skase will go down in Australian history as a complete f#!@* and *#@!#$ with ^%$#@! dirty !@#$%$........